The parable of the prodigal son is probably the most well-known parable of all and it is clear that the story is about the life journey of Man. It is all about us and our journey through life. Depending on the teaching of the different churches the emphasis may be put on different aspects of the story, on the sinfulness of man or on the love of God. However, the story is almost always told as an interpretation of the life of the son who undertakes the journey, the bad son. Not much is said about the other son, the son who stays home with the Father and faithfully attends to his tasks. He is supposed to be the good son who should be an example to us all. But is he? I would like to look at this parable from a different viewpoint and see what I come up with about both sons.
In my article The Tree of Judgement? I wrote about a comparable journey in which I started with a summary in order to make clear what the deeper meaning of this journey is. It is a journey into duality, which is symbolized by the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, but also by the story of the prodigal son. That is why I want to start this article with quoting this summary in its entirety, so it is clear what the process it is all about.
“I found the meaning of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil to be the tree of duality, ets-2, in Hebrew.
Eating from that tree caused the descent of Man into the world of duality and matter, also called the fourth world or the world of the seventh day. Eve, the female, nourishing and creative side of Man, was enticed into eating from it by the serpent, the nachash, numerical value 358, which proved to be the downward force in Man during the descending part of the involution / evolution cycle. This is a cycle, which you could see as a circle that is divided into three segments:
The first segment is the descent out of a world of higher consciousness as described above; this is called involution.
The second segment, described in the next paragraph, is the period that mankind resides in the world of matter.
The third segment, called evolution, is about ascension, going upwards in consciousness again, as described in the third paragraph of this description.
When man had almost reached the bottom of the cycle, the downward force got the upper hand and turned into par’oh (pharaoh), and man became enslaved / addicted. After a call for help to God and a promise to address this addiction themselves later on, man was delivered from this slavery by God and the nachash got its head / its downward principle, crushed, which made it fall asleep. It was then called the Kundalini that slept in 3½ coils at the halfway point of the cycle.
After having been anointed with the oil that was produced by man through processing and digesting all that happened in his / her life during this stay in the world of matter, the downward force changes into an upward one as the messiah, mashiach, also with a numerical value of 358, which leads man upwards again, and to its rising as the Kundalini serpent at the end of the process as the conclusion of the cycle.
The descending phase in this whole process is part of the sixth day and the serpent, is the nachash, is therefore associated with the number 6. The world that we enter after descending into the world of duality and matter is called the world of the seventh day, as mentioned before, and the deepest point of the cycle, where the sleeping Kundalini lies, is exactly its halfway point (3½).
Because of all the work that man has to do in order to process and digest everything, this day is also called Yom ha Assiya, the world of doing things. In this world God, the Higher Consciousness, rests and man works his / her way through the process of ‘eating’ the fruit of the seventh day.
This fruit is the tamar, 400-40-200. You can also read this as 400-mar. Mar means bitter and 400-mar means the bitterness of the four hundred. The bitterness of slavery and addiction and the bitterness of the cross, as the number 400 used to be written as a cross on its side. The word tamar means date. A date is sweet. In order to discover that all this bitterness is sweet, man will have to process and digest it however, symbolized by the verb to eat.
Another image that is used to describe this process is the word oil. As the nachash, the serpent, turns into the mashiach, messiah (both having the same numerical value, 358) which means the anointed one, there has to be oil, olive oil, to do the anointing with. Oil is shemen in Hebrew, and is connected to the number 8, shmona. That is why the messiah is connected to the eighth day of resurrection and ascension. This oil is produced by crushing the olives, fruit of the sixth day, in an oil press, gat shemen, or in English Gethsemane.
So processing the fruit of the sixth and the seventh days is the process of Gethsemane and Golgotha, and although in the Bible it is the story of Jesus, it is a process that all of us have to undertake. All this processing lies hidden in the symbols of the cycle.
Processing and digesting also includes embracing everything that is being placed before us today without resistance and with love. It includes calling it Good in the end because we have become aware of how much we have grown in conscious awareness because of it.”
The Prodigal Son
When we look at the parable of the prodigal son, we can see that his journey follows the same pattern. It is also a descent from a world of Higher Consciousness, from where the Father keeps watching the younger son with Love and without judgement, into a world of ever lower consciousness and slavery, and then the phase where the son becomes aware of his situation and what had led to it, followed by his conscious decision to return to the Father. And his willingness to become even a lowly servant there. The process ends with his loving reception by the Father.
It is the same story and the same process, told in a different way and with different aspects. Both stories symbolize the totality of the cycle and can be seen as a circle, with the phase of High Consciousness on top. However, the story of the prodigal son also shows what happens after his return to his Father’s house. He is not met with anger, judgement and condemnation by the Father but treated like the most honorable guest and reinstated as his beloved son. His Father had even run towards him as soon as he saw him and ‘fell on his neck and kissed him’, as the KJV Bible tells us. There is no trial but a festive party after a successful journey.
The Other Son (The Good One)
But what about the other son, the ‘good’ son? I never heard much about him in church. What is his role in all this?
The son who did not embark on this journey is often looked at as the good son as opposed to the bad son who went away and got into trouble. But is he? His reaction to his brother’s homecoming is not exactly heart-warming. What is he supposed to represent?
Let us first consider the fact that here there are two sons. Two is the number of duality and sure enough these two are described as opposites: the ‘bad’ son who left home and the ‘good’ son who stayed home and fulfilled his duties. But a closer look at the bad son showed that he was not bad after all and also that his father had kept following his journey closely and continuously sent him the love that he needed in order to be able to consciously decide to return home as a transformed person. By processing the bad when he needed to he had now become Good without an opposite evil. So the so-called bad led to something Good after all.
Can the same be said about the good son who stayed home? I do not think so. Not yet at this stage. When the younger son returns home transformed, the ‘good’ son shows himself in a very different light. He does not seem to have regretted the fact that his brother left the house without a fixed destination nor worried about what might have become of him. He had just continued to fulfill his duties at the farm that seems to symbolize the house of the Father here. He had probably enjoyed his position as ‘the good son’ who had not deserted his father.
So, when he learns that his brother has finally returned home as a changed man, he is not glad. He had expected his father to meet his brother with indignation and to tell him to get off the premises and never to show his face there again. He had expected his father to show him, the elder brother who knew his duties, to his brother as the example he should have followed. But no, instead his father welcomes his brother with a festive party for which even the fatted calf had been killed, and all that while he himself was still working in the fields. So he is bitter and angry. He refuses to join the party and shows clearly that he is jealous and judgmental. He even hurls accusations at his father.
The words of the father’s reply to his eldest son after this outpouring of his grief make clear that the son who stayed home had not even realized what it means to be a son. For shouldn’t he have known that everything that his father possessed was his also? However, he had behaved like a servant and expected to be given what for a son had been his to take.
This shows that by staying home he had not been able to gain the conscious awareness that his brother did manage to gain by his journey. For the younger son had done exactly what according to the Father his eldest son could have done also. The younger son had demanded his share and taken it with him on his journey. Of course he had not known what he let himself in for, or what challenges he would have to face. He had not taken into account that causes would have consequences but when he was confronted with the result of his actions – and initially he had become overwhelmed by them – he had met them head on. He had accepted the consequences. He had taken a good look at himself and decided to return home, even if that would mean that he could only be a lowly servant from then on. By willingly relinquishing his right to be treated as a son he had in fact earned the right to be considered a real son.
My conclusion is that all this implies that this journey through the involution / evolution cycle is not a bad thing but on the contrary that it is absolutely essential and necessary for this gaining of conscious awareness.
Good and Evil
So can we even speak of a good son and a bad son here? The concepts of good and bad do not seem to be as clearly defined as we thought they would be. Good as in dutiful does not necessarily mean Good with a capital G, without an opposite evil. It appears that a dutiful son is not necessarily a good son and that he also needs to go through this process in order to reach that state of consciousness.
Could his work at the farm and the fattening of ‘the fattened calf’ have anything to do with all of this? In that case the house of the Father may symbolize something like ‘heaven’ here but it is definitely placed in the earthly setting of a farm. In which the symbol of fattening a calf and afterwards killing and eating it has a place. This means that in this case it can also be seen as a symbol of the involution / evolution cycle and that the eldest son has to go through that within this setting.
A calf is the offspring of a cow and a bull, a para and a par. These words, and also the related word pri, fruit, are symbols of fertility, of multiplying and therefore symbolize the opposite of unity. They are also related to the word par’oh, which in this context is a symbol of the ego out of control.
A calf is egel in Hebrew, written as 1-3-30. This contains the concept ‘gl’, 3-30, 33, that means ‘public, external, superficial, naked’, and it also symbolizes the round aspect of the circle, the igul. In this case pointing to a running around in circles without getting anywhere as the eldest son obviously has not yet a clue what it is all about and has not got anywhere yet.
There are many words and names that contain the concept ‘gl’ (among them Golgotha, Gulgolet, and Galil, Galilee). As such this concept figures largely in the life of Jesus, and in the age he is supposed to have had when he was crucified (33). And therefor also in the process of the cycle that his life symbolizes.
As egel, calf, it symbolizes the round aspect, especially as a fattened calf. It symbolizes both the ego and the circle of the cycle. During this cycle the calf is first fattened (growing power of the ego), then killed and finally eaten / digested. The three phases of the cycle. The younger son has already completed the whole cycle and is now enjoying the nutrients of this process during the concluding feast. The state the eldest son is in however seems to show that he is still fattening it and as such is still in the first, descending phase. He is not even aware of his own state of mind but only lashing out at others, bitter, jealous, judgmental.
The question is: can we trace the whole necessary process in the part of the story about ‘the other son’? Maybe it will help if we also include the symbols of some of the other parables that Jesus told the people.
First of all it should be clear that the journey of ‘the other son’ will be another type of journey than his brother took. He does not physically leave the farm or the Father. You might say that he remains a staunch member of the Church (or the Synagogue, Mosque or Temple or whatever). He does not commit the ‘sins’ his brother committed but his journey is to be found in the development of his attitude, so looking at some of these other parables might be of help. And then we see that many of these complaints of the eldest son are indeed addressed by Jesus in some of those parables. His righteous indignation, his feeling of being superior to his brother is mirrored in the attitude of the Pharisee who compares himself favorably to the publican in his prayer. His indifference to the fate of his brother we also see in the attitude of the rich man toward Lazarus, the poor man who lay on his doorstep, hoping to receive scraps of food but receiving nothing. Are these and other sins like them not worse than squandering your money on parties with harlots, of which he accused his brother? And are they not more difficult to recognize as such?
This will be the task for this son however and then there will finally be the way upwards again. Also this can be found in other parts of the Bible. His story starts by telling us that he returned home from the field soon after the arrival of his brother. That should take us back to God’s promise to Adam and Eve after they had eaten from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They had to leave the Garden of Eden but God had given them the promise that from then onward they would work in the fields to get their food. And that they would get to deal with thistles and thorns. Which is the start of the active part of the process.
A thorn is kots in Hebrew, which is related to the verb hakets, which means to wake (someone) up. At this stage the elder son is working in such a field and all too often for his taste he is confronted with the thorns and the thistles in it. He is not aware of it yet but he will become aware of the possibility that these thorns are there for a reason and that they might wake him up as well. And at that stage he will also recognize the field in which is buried a great treasure, which is mentioned in another parable, and sell all he has in order to buy this field and dig up this treasure. This treasure means that he will find out what is really valuable in life and that he will finally take the decision to return to the Father, in spirit as well as physically. Then he will go on his way back and realize that his Father has never stopped following him lovingly and that he will be received with the same Love and honour as his younger brother. He will realize that they will harmoniously share their inheritance again. This latter part of the story is not part of the parable of the prodigal son however. It has been left to us to find out for ourselves during our own journey, whatever form that journey may take.
All this could mean however that a ‘repentant sinner’ might be further along in his process than a dutiful son who has not even become aware of a process yet. And that all ‘righteous people’ who look at ‘sinners’ with judgement and contempt had better have a good look at themselves first.
Let us now consider carefully what it might mean to be a son.
To Be A Son
This seems to confirm the idea that the eldest son initially was not aware of being a son yet because he had stayed home and instead of attending to a process of gaining conscious awareness ‘in the field’ had only been running around in circles by continuing to feed his ego, the fattened calf. So the implication of him being the good son shows again the relativity of the concept good within duality.
The numerical value of the word ben is 52. This has different meanings. Fifty-two is the number of weeks in a year and the concept year also symbolizes the process of a cycle; in this case the cycle of the seasons which also give us pointers. So a son is someone (not necessarily male) who is going through this cycle.
Fifty-two is 4 x 13 and 13 is the numerical value of the words ahava, love, and echad, one, oneness, unity. It implies that the fourth world of matter, and each season of the journey of the year in it, are all stamped with these concepts of love and unity (in diversity). We are not left alone in this process, even if it feels that way sometimes.
Fifty-two is also 2 x 26, and twenty-six is the numerical value of the name YHWH, the Name of God in this world of duality and matter, who never leaves us out of his loving sight during our journey.
A son therefore is something special, someone who carries all these aspects in him / her during this journey through this cycle, this circle of transformation. That is what in this parable the Father tries to make clear to the eldest son who had not even started on his journey yet. He approaches him just as lovingly as he welcomed back the younger son.. Nowhere is there any judgement from the side of the Father. Each of us is allowed to take as long as we need for our own special journey. The only judge and jury we will have to face will turn out to be not the Father, who never judges, but we ourselves. At the turning point of our cycle we will take an honest look at ourselves and see our life and attitudes from another perspective. That is what will make it possible for us to turn the corner and to return to the house of the Father.
It becomes clear in the end that good and bad are very relative concepts with no inherent meaning of their own. Once the whole cycle has run its course all good and bad will have been transformed into Good without an opposite.
And maybe it is true that those who chose the steepest road, the ‘sinners’, will be the first to return home to the Father after all. Isn’t it said somewhere in the Bible that the last shall be the first? But what of it, as long as we all get there?
Anny…
A brilliant article, one of the best you have produced. You explain the cycle of evolution and involution so well here in your summary of the Tree of Judgment and then you ask a pertinent question about the other son in a famous parable that is never focused on. And I agree with your conclusion. The other son must fall from higher consciousness to as we all do to become aware and realize his own evolved individuality. Brilliant!
As I began reading through the article I had the same thoughts as you before you I read your own conclusion. The other son most definitely represents the unaware of the conscious experience like the Prodigal Son. The meaning you brought out of the word “son” really confirms this.
Hi Josh,
Thanks for your comment. The contents of this article are really new to me too. I had never before really thought about it but this time suddenly the question: “What about the other son” came up.
Of course that is what I always do, looking at any subject from another side than is usually done. I started with that after discovering this most important principle of all: God = Love = Unity (in diversity). If that were true – and I am convinced that it is – then many if not most bible texts have to be interpreted in a different way.
You know where all this has led me and this time it was this parable that suddenly asked for attention.
I am glad that you not only could follow my reasoning but even felt that way yourself while reading.
Hello Anny,
Thank you for a really well-written article with lots of wonderful insights to ponder and to feel happy about!
“At the turning point of our cycle we will take an honest look at ourselves and see our life and attitudes from another perspective. That is what will make it possible for us to turn the corner and to return to the house of the Father”.
Reading this section, Anny, reminded me of my own time of “I will arise and go to my Father”. At the time, and it’s a long time ago now, I had developed a chest infection which led to severe asthmatic attacks –coughing for weeks and weeks with no sign of it stopping. At the time I knew nothing about spirituality, meditation, the Bible and so on, I was in complete ignorance of all that. I’d been to doctors and nothing they gave me worked. Then one day a free newspaper came through my letterbox totally about Healing-Yoga classes. I read the paper thoroughly, and about the successful healing stories, and felt really good about what I was reading. Previously I used to throw this paper away when it came, but, this time I read it, every single page at least twice. There and then I resolved to go along to these classes, and shortly afterwards made the appointment. Finally, I was sitting in my seat in the class and, lo and behold, the cough just got worse and worse and it felt at any moment I would have to leave the room, as it was obvious I was disturbing everyone else’s peace and calm.Then the Therapist said something during the session like “those who are worse now shall gain first”. This gonged loud in my head and had an immediate, profound effect which stayed with me. About two weeks later the asthmatic attacks ceased and were completely gone — to me this was a total miracle!!! When i first attended the classes it was simply to get rid of the cough. But very soon, while still attending the classes, i realized that there was another side to life which i knew nothing about and which I needed to come upon — about God, Truth, Spirituality, Unconditional Love, Healing, Understanding, Compassion, Forgiveness, Self expression… and mental stillness, all of which at the time I was in total ignorance of. The penny dropped fast and the difference i was experiencing overall was just incredible — everyone and everything seemed different, but which really was me who had changed, awoken from spiritual slumber. Insights, clarity of understanding began flooding my awareness at amazing speed. “Ordinary life” now had a sense of profound purpose, when awareness, creativity and latent skills began surfacing, and it felt wonderful, and still does.
Reading your article, Anny, reminded me how blessed I was at the time for the asthmatic attacks — but didn’t realize it then — this period of suffering, while unwittingly, certainly led me to “I will arise and go to my Father”.
Thanks again, Anny, for a really insightful article, offering potential for individual reflection and happy spiritual growth.
Ahava, Echad,
Raymond
Hello Raymond,
Thanks for your comment and for sharing your own life story.
Indeed this story of the prodigal son and his brother is our own story and it is up to each of us to find out where we fit in. It gives us handles to start our search and pointers on the way. And it most definitely teaches us to refrain from judgement. And that we may turn the corner once do that. And our suffering ceases, as you wrote.
Ahava to you too!
Anny
When one article is posted close to Josh’s, it usually does not get as many replies, I’ve noticed. Unfortunate because your articles are always well written and you are on the same wavelength as many of your loyal followers, but just too much information for some other people to take n at once when presented almost simultaneously with Josh.
Another “other son” famous to observant Jews is Esau, Jacob’s brother. This poor guy had his birthright stolen and driven off by his own mother who favored Jacob. But he was noble. He restrained from killing Jacob out of jealousy and resentment, and went off on his own to establish himself. He didn’t get the promises of the Messianic lineage from God, didn’t get to wrestle an angel, probably didn’t have a lot of outward miracles surrounding him. He was a good man who simply led a good and regular life as an adult, prospered in natural ways, and when Jacob was told he had to cross Esau’s land to get to Canaan, which nearly gave Jacob a nervous breakdown, and caused him to invenet all kinds of bribes and strategies to try to avoid being attacked by an angry abused brother. Instead, Esau was way ahead of the game, preparing all kinds of hospitality provision for his brother’s tribe, and when the yfinally met, Esau hugged Jacob and wept for the joy of reunion. This story is read every year in Synagogue as part of that weeks Sabbath reading of the Torah, which this year corresponded to the week your article was posted.
There are some people who go through trauma and just come out with flying colors. No miracles, no fatted calf, no messages from prophets. They don’t need them. They just do the masters will without a lot of hoopla.
We are individually like Jacob and Esau. Sometimes we can live a peaceful natural life on an earthly plain, and sometimes parts of our character needs to be changed by what I call spiritual hoopla … visions, rescues, earth-shaking revelations, great and might works, to transcend what was broken. But in the end it all converges toward the fruit of the spirit – love, joy, peace, etc.
We know that Confucius simply retired as a man of wisdom when his mission was complete, and road off to live a sedate and normal life. Buddha, after coming within an inch of death before he found nirvana, and then teaching wisdom to others, also receded into the background. If we saw these men on the street after that, we might not recognize them, but might notice that they step aside to let us pass more easily.
So a lot of the bible is about people in trouble who need deliverance. This is the drama that drives the theme of redemption one chapter after another. But Job lived a long life and full of days. Daniel kept the secrets of prophecy sealed and then lived in peace. Esau and the Prodigal son’s brother lived good and peaceful lives, learning to give generously without resentment (covetous ego).
Hi Robert,
Thanks for your insightful comment!
Indeed, you could see Esau and Jacob as another example of two brothers who are described as opposites. With different aspects yet again. The Father is less obviously present and going blind which leads to a whole different set of circumstances. But indeed, both sons go on a different journey and find back together at the end.
I believe the whole Bible revolves around this theme in one form or another in order to enable us to finally get what it is all about.
Thanks for your contribution in this.
Just an idea that pooped up after readfing this : what if one part of us becomes Jacob, that another part raises Esau ?
Hi Leo,
You are right, you can also look at it like that. It is all about duality, disturbance of the balance and then the process of restoring the balance. Within this point of view the two sides of man within Adam whom God separated into man and woman.who then descended into the world of illusion.
Whichever example we take, our task is always to restore the balance and to reunite the two sides in Love and Unity.
I always felt angry when I read this prodigal son story, because of the older brother left behind doing all of the work. Thanks to you, I now understand that the older brother still had forgiveness work to do. Well written article and I am thankful to you for writing them.
Hi Robyn,
Thanks for your comment. I am glad that the article helped resolve some problem for you.
Of course my view on all this is not necessarily the absolute truth but I have found for myself that it does help to look at things from another angle. To look out of the box.
Personally I did not have this anger at the prodigal son because I did not think of work that still had to be done. I just assumed they had servants for that. I was more angry at the good son because he behaved so unloving towards his younger brother. Instead of just being happy that he had got to his senses and returned home. Of course I assumed that his inheritance was gone.
So you see that everyone constructs his own ideas about these parables. And that it might be good to take another look at them, coming from where we are now.
Hi Anny:
Outstanding article, and very well written.
This is a subject I’ve often thought about in the past, and this parable is virtually a mirror image of the parable about the householder hiring laborers to work in his vineyard, and giving the last laborers who came at the 11th hour the same as he gave those who bore “the heat of the day.”
In both parables, as I see it, the thrust of the story is that man has to learn how to love, as it is not common to our nature. As human beings, and generally speaking, we’re concerned more with ourselves than others. This is what eldest son has to learn, and it is what the laborers in the vineyard have to learn. I believe that once we truly learn how to love, our thoughts will always extend outward first and foremost, because we know we’re taken care of already (“you are ever with me, and all that I have is yours,” says the father to the eldest son. “But this, my son, was dead, and is alive.”).
Love is the “image and likeness of God” and God is love. It is not until we learn how to love that we are, in truth, born of God, or created in the image and likeness of God..
Great article, Anny. I hope it gets many people thinking about what love really is.
Paul. thanks for this beautiful comment. There is not much I could add to that.
I love how you phrase this: “Love is the “image and likeness of God” and God is love. It is not until we learn how to love that we are, in truth, born of God, or created in the image and likeness of God..”
Could not this whole process of the cycle BE the creation of man in the image and likeness of God? In different ways?
Thanks, Anny. Indeed man IS the creation spoken of in Scripture, and creating man in the image and likeness of God is the thrust of the entire Bible. That’s what I believe the whole thing is all about.
Anny,
Thank you for this beautiful article. As with everything in the bible, the more we reflect about what we read, more and more layers of meaning and understanding will unfold, and I can only thank you for showing us a very bright side in this parable. My personal view in this parable was quite shallow, and I always felt a bit of “jealousy” of the treatment the father gave to the prodigal son, I’m not quite sure if jealousy is the most adequate word here, so forgive me if I’m not making myself clear. What I’m trying to say is that I’ve always felt that the brother who stayed home was somehow treated with inequity by his father, who didn’t recognize him properly. At the same time, I could also understand that it was natural and a sign of a deep love from the father’s side to show his love and happiness upon his prodigal son returning home, it’s a bit paradoxal, but that’s me. Now I can see a whole different point of view as you proposed by inviting us to take a different view in this parable. This is what I call empathy, the ability to put ourselves in someone’s shoes, and I think that you did it brilliantly in this article. And we will only be able to truly love when we become capable of doing it without questioning our Father why our brothers and sisters “receive more love than we do”, and understand that the choice rests in our hands. It’s all about experience in the end, and that’s what we’re here for, I think. I’d also make an addition about the ‘gl’ that maybe can also be linked with ‘gilgal’, that has something to do with the transmigrating of souls and reincarnation (talking about reincarnation, I would love to read one of your articles about this subject!), I believe Joshua has written articles about this. So it has everything to do with the journey taken by the prodigal son, descending into the world of matter for as many times as needed, as we’ll all do, until we achieve this change of consciousness and transform ourselves and become able to lovingly and willingly return home to our Father.
Thank you!
Love and blessings,
Vinícius Otaviano
Hello Vinicius,
Thank you for your interesting comment. You seem to feel pretty well what I meant to convey. I recognize your feeling towards the eldest son a little although I always felt that he was not very welcoming. Whatever my views on theology at any given time may have been, Love always was the most important point for me, even though I did not completely grasp what love actually was about.
I like what you bring up about ‘gilgal’. Actually the Hebrew term for reincarnation is ‘gilgul ha neshamot’. Indeed reincarnation has its place within this whole concept because of course this whole process probably takes many lives to accomplish. Within the context of this cycle we probably spent many lives on the descending side and may have got stuck at the bottom many times over before finally being able to start on the ascending side.
Although I mentioned reincarnation quite a lot in my comments I never wrote an article about it yet. I do not know if I would be able to because although I do recognize it as a very useful tool during our journey, it has not been the focus of my research. One of the reasons for this is that reincarnation is something of this world of illusion. It is a tool that helps us to get all the necessary experiences that we need in order to progress on our way. In Reality however, reincarnation no more exists as time, space and matter do.
Because the Absolute Reality is One, in which all happens in the same time and space. But there is no way I can grasp the reality of that concept yet, even though I intuitively feel it is true.
I am also of the opinion that we do not really need to deal with this Absolute Reality yet, as long as we know that it is there. We must deal however deal with everything this illusional world of duality places in front of us because within this concept of this illusional world all those matters are very real indeed.
It is something like being aware of two worlds while our focus is on one of them. Once we will have ascended our focus will be in this world of a higher frequency, while still being aware of this world we live in now but no longer being actively involved in it.
Well, that is more or less how I see it.
Love,
Anny
Anny, I can only agree with everything you said. I’m a very curious person and I can’t wait to see, or better saying, to rediscover, what is in store for us in the Absolute Reality, when we finally become One again. Until then, let’s keep trying our very best to get rid (or become one?) with samsara.
Love,
Vinícius
Vinicius, I think I understand what you mean and I agree with you but it is so difficult to put these things into words as somehow they do not quite catch totally what we mean to say.
Like trying to get rid of something. That alone points to resistance and resistance makes things stronger. And becoming one with samsara somehow suggests to me totally accepting it. That could mean accepting that things are the way they are without resistance and learning whatever we may learn from it. which is fine. Is that what you suggest?
Or it could mean that you become part and parcel of it and keep going around in circles. Which is quite the opposite. Do you see what I mean?
Anny,
to properly answer your comment, I’m gonna quote Heinrich Zimmer, quoted by this out-of-this-world giant of man that was Joseph Campbell (yes, I love him very much!): “The best things can’t be told,” because they transcend thought. “The second best are misunderstood,” because those are the thoughts that are supposed to refer to that which can’t be thought about, and one gets stuck in the thoughts.”The third best are what we talk about.”
Or as you perfectly said: words do not quite catch what we mean to say.
What I tried to say is what you understood first, that we need to accept things the way they are and learn from it and start from there. I’m gonna go back a little to your first comment, when you said that we’ll be part of two worlds, but will focus in one of them. The way I see it, even though we will eventually evolve and get rid (cof-cof) of the world of duality, we still need this world (or something similar to it) in order to experience anything. We will accept that duality is needed in order to experience things. How could we distinguish light from dark without duality? Good from bad (ok, I know this is relative, but you’ll get my point)? And so on… But I believe that the focus will be different. We may be able to experience it using this dual focus at the same time (another way of saying, as we know that time is but an illusion, and if it’s dual at the same time, then we’ll have Oneness). There’s nothing outside consciousness, right? Consciousness/God is all there is. But consciousness cannot experience itself, that’s why matter is needed. So in a way we’ll be rid of the samsara, meaning that we’ll no longer need to repeat experiences in an unconscious manner, but at the same time we’ll still be using this “tool” in order to experience things, but consciously choosing our experiences, therefore, completely changing the way we experience things. That’s what I meant by saying that we may become one with samsara. Maybe my personal definition of samsara is amiss in this conversation. We can only experience things in this amount of time that starts from birth and ends when we die, not necessarily just going around in circles. The same happen in all of the observable cosmos: stars are born and die, galaxies are born and dismantled, planets are formed and destroyed… Of course, this is just my personal guess and may not be the whole true. At the same time, God wouldn’t be God if at least a part of this wasn’t real. All possibilities and all probabilities certainly (words, words, words…) are real at the same time. If it wasn’t so, certainly it wouldn’t be God, as it would be limited, right? Like I told you first, I’m very paradoxal, but my personal guess is that this is the way things go! What do you think?
P.S. There’s a very good movie called Arrival, have you seen it? The aliens that come to visit Earth in this movie have the ability to see/experience time in a different way than we do, they don’t live in a linear time structure. All events are happening at the same time. The connection with this conversation is that I believe this is a very good take on how God might experience things, all at once. Anyways…
Love!
Vinícius
Hi Vinicius, thanks for your extensive comment. I love it. You and I seem to be thinking in the same way.
The subject of two worlds and duality is fascinating I think. My vision on duality is slowly changing. It is no longer black or white. Just like the matter of good and bad. Yes, the goal of the creation of duality is creating the possibility of having experiences. Like you write also. And of course that brings us to begin with in a position of unbalance and judgement, with all the consequences. But once we have run the whole course and gained conscious awareness, as opposed to a high level of consciousness during which we were not yet aware of anything ‘in the beginning’, and unity in diversity as opposed to an undifferentiated oneness, then it becomes possible to enter into a conscious duality at will in order to experience whatever we might want to experience. That is a duality during which we remain conscious all the time. That is probably the consciousness of avatars when they enter our three-dimensional world as well, now that I think of it.
And as for the matter of two (and probably more) worlds and what is real in them, that is a matter of perspective. And I love looking at all things from different perspectives. What is real in one world is not necessarily real in the other worlds as well. And the other way around. So when we speak of our three-dimensional world of duality as a dream or an illusion in which nothing is real, then we are speaking from the perspective of a higher world. But within the reality of this world we are focused in right now, things are very real indeed. And so are our experiences which are the goal of our coming here after all. But seen from a higher reality nothing of this even exists and within this world, which you could also see as a game, we each create our own world with its own truths which might overlap the world that like-minded people create but is never completely the same. Which makes it pretty silly to argue over who is right and who is wrong in a dispute over anything whatever because everyone is right in his own world but wrong in the world of the one he disagrees with.
I understand what you mean when you write about samsara and I completely agree. It is just the word samsara itself that I more or less object to because I believe that that symbolizes the cycle of unconscious reincarnations whereas you write about reincarnating consciously for a certain purpose. So maybe another word should be used to make that clear. There we have it again: words. They also are dual: you can use them to explain things but also to hide them. They may mean one thing to the proverbial you and another to the equally proverbial me.
You write : “ ….All possibilities and all probabilities certainly (words, words, words…) are real at the same time. If it wasn’t so, certainly it wouldn’t be God, as it would be limited, right?”
Yes, I think so but only the things in the world where your focus is, are real. Who or whatever ‘you’ are and in whatever world ‘you’ reside. So things in the worlds above or below us humans are not yet real to us, or not anymore.
No, I did not see that movie yet. I’m pretty much home-bound because of my health situation. But it will probably be available on DVD or television later on. And yes, I also believe that God – as All that is – might experience all things all at once. Which means that as a fractal part of All that is we do too but mercifully we are not aware of it yet in the state we are in right now. We could not possibly tolerate it yet.
Love,
Anny
Anny, sorry for the late response, I moved recently to another house and you can imagine the mess! Hope you had a pleasant and loving holiday season with your loved ones and that your health is improved!
Thank you for this amazing conversation!
PS: The Arrival movie is out already, you can find it on iTunes, google movies and torrent sites, whenever you watch it, let me know your thoughts!
Love,
Vinícius
Thanks for your comment, Vinicius, never mind that it is late. Things like that happen and I was not on the blog anyway because I was not well.
I am glad that you enjoyed our conversation because I did too.
I’ll try and find this movie you write about. It sounds interesting. I do not know when I will get round to it though. There is a lot of stuff I could not attend to during the last few weeks.
Oh this is by Anny. no wonder there’s so much numerology. I love, I love, I love. The insight concerning the serpent is welcome. descension, rest and ascension.
“There is an old illusion. good and evil” – Nietzsche.
The words revolving around “gl” made absolute sense too. the more one studies the Bible esoterically, the more intertwined everything is and it just makes it ever more beautiful. Thanks for this Anny
Thanks for your comments. I am glad you appreciate the article.
I like your summary of the process of the serpent: descension, rest and ascension. The rest is only for the higher consciousness however. We have to do a lot of processing during this phase in order to get from descension to ascension, even though it is called being asleep. A lot of work in the dream though. There is a reason why this phase is called Yom ha Assiya, the day of doing things.
Thanks also for your quote of Nietzsche. I did not know that one.
Yes, everything is intertwined. Entangled, as quantum physics calls it. I agree that that is beautiful, even if we cannot completely grasp it yet.
Anny and Michelangelo,
The only thing that I disagree from this comment is the “rest” part. My mother died when I was 7, and when I went to the cemetery with my brother for the exhumation of her earthly vessel, he asked me: “What do you think that happens when we die?” Of course I was very young then and I couldn’t properly answer it, but I said that we were put to “rest” until judgment day (I was raised in an evangelical church, so you can imagine my view back then). And then he said that he didn’t believe we would rest until that day, that there was a lot of work to be done. When you said that the rest is only for the higher consciousness, I’m not so sure that I tag along, always respectfully, of course. Imagine being able to freely create everything you can imagine, to love unconditionally, how many things are there to be done? Countless! Like I said, maybe it’s just what we understand by “rest” that isn’t corresponding to what it really is, as we’re only capable of understanding rest in relation to tiredness, maybe?
This pretty much ties in with my reply to your previous question. The higher consciousness rests …. in our world druring our descended state. In the higher worlds it is as active as ever, only we are not aware of it.
This refers to the world of the seventh day and especially to the part that we are ‘in Egypt’ so to speak. As soon as we have turned the corner and are starting to ascend the higher consciousness wakes up so to speak and becomes very active indeed.
We are of course talking in symbols and parables in a way and then it is easy to misunderstand what another person means. But correspondences like these force you to rethink your own conclusions and delve ever deeper. I love it.
And please feel free to disagree with me or anyone else on any subject whatever. That is not a sign of disrespect. It is your truth and that is what you should share.
In this respect I think that rest does not have anything to do with tiredness. An interesting question: Is it even possible for a higher consciousness to be tired? I believe that within this context to rest means simply to become temporarily inactive.
I used this verb ‘to rest’ because in Hebrew it is the verb ‘lashevet’, to sit or rest, which is connected to the word Shabbat, the day of rest..And it is written that God rested on the seventh day.
A clue, one of the oldest occult symbols in human existence…the “ouroboros”, the serpent eating its own tail, the cycle of DEATH …not life. This physical realm is DEATH personified. Everything that “lives” here is dependent upon death in order to sustain it’s “life”. The minerals consume each other, the plants consume the minerals, the animals consume the plants and each other. The human consumes the plants and the animals. And yes, there is a “life form” above us humans that also consumes us (energetically). In the course of all this “life” is nothing but suffering and DEATH. NO people, this realm is NOT GOOD. But I can assure you that there is a realm of LIFE . And when you come to know who you are and who your Father is, He will be waiting for your return to Him. Until then, beware of the “leaven of the Pharisees”
As it is also said, the human body is the grave.
‘leaven of the . . .’ I read David’s comment and yesterday it struck a cord within me.
In modern speak I would call it ‘spinning’. Assuming things to be true and using it to prove a case. Elsewhere on the net I just found ‘Mark 7:8: “For laying aside the commandments of God, you hold the tradition of men …”
I can from my own experiences say that some of the story telling goes into that direction.
My biggest concern being the oversimplifications about the Ascension process and the assumed role of kundalini (lower case). I come across many articles with similar content.
I fear this website has overleavened itself. The only way is one’s own way. Fantasy stories without actually doing things lead to excess, real content, intent is lost.
So yes, I agree, beware of leavening.
Leo, I agree with you when you state that the only way is one’s own way. I have written that countless times myself. But for the life of me I do not understand what you mean with leavening here, nor did I understand David’s mentioning of this term. You often write about things coming from your specific background, which is different from that of most of the other readers and therefore sometimes not easy to understand.
Many people have written on this blog, in articles or in comments, with many different approaches to everything. I do not understand all of them and do not necessarily agree with all of them but I do not want to judge any of them. We are all on a journey of discovery together, reconnoitering new subjects, tasting them as it were, searching for what is the right way for us but not necessarily for someone else. We are not teachers who have come to tell others the Truth with a capital T, as none of us can possibly understand that before we have completed the whole Ascension process. We will take wrong turns from time to time as that is all part of the process of finding our own way. And we should not tell others that they are wrong in how they go about finding their way.
I would not have introduced the subject of kundalini myself in my articles as it is not part of my tradition but when others did I recognized it as a physical process which seems to happen during the process of Ascension so I include it now. I do not go into details about it because I have no experience whatever with it but other people obviously do and who am I to deny their experiences?
Besides, you know that in my view everybody creates his own world and what is true in ours might not be in someone else’s or the other way around. So we should be careful in what we say about other people’s views. Neither you nor I are judge or jury about other people’s views or experiences because their world is not ours. The only thing we can do is maybe change our own views when we are considering what others shared and share that. Share how we think, not how others should think or not think.
You use rather strong terms without even explaining what you are alluding to. If you disagree with something specific, you have every right to express your view about that subject in a comment but calling things leavening or spinning without even specifying what you are alluding to sounds very much like judging to me.
If you write a specific comment, others can react to that and things may be cleared up but just alluding to something unspecific only creates unrest. In my view that is.
Anny, doing is knowing, talking, discussing, suggesting is NOT doing, it creates confusion. Specially offering new suggestions and then use that suggestion as if it is a proven fact and then continue on ‘proving” more things. It is building a case based on assumptions. Kundalini is an effect and does not cause Ascension. Anyone suggesting that is leading people astray. I warn against that, because premature kundalini results in serious damage to the body. Spinning and the biblical term leavening refer the overlaying a story with one’ own, but i am sure you understand that.
Joshua has found a good defender in you.
My tone is a bit agresive, i just saw the 2003 Gospel of John, where the pharisees are doing the same.
As for judging Anny, we all do that every moment of the day. And i judge this site to have turned the wrong way, overleavening, spinning.
And yes, even when wrong it serves a purpose.
I see do many comments agreeing with the stories.
I don’t mind people soinning, leavening as long as they live that story. But not living the story and presenting it as the new truth is hypocrisy (i looked it up and it is asociated with the leavening of the pharisees.
Basically i am warning people, you and even more Joshua, not to fall into that trap.
Leo, I must say that I am a bit surprised about this sudden disagreement with most of what is written on this blog. I did not get that impression from many of your previous comments though you often present your own take on things, which I think is fine.
I am always presenting my findings as my view and never as a proven fact. In fact I write time and again that while we are still living in this world of illusion we are not even capable yet of grasping the Absolute Truth and everyone should follow his or her own path without judging some else’s.
You write: ” Kundalini is an effect and does not cause Ascension. Anyone suggesting that is leading people astray. I warn against that, because premature kundalini results in serious damage to the body.”
Of course kundalini does not cause Ascension. Did anyone ever say so? I believe that Ascension leads to the rising of the kundalini in the later stages but not the other way around. It is indeed an effect and one should never attempt to contrive it artificially. I mentioned that at least once in one of my comments, I believe. But I do not remember anyone at SoS promoting that. Are you sure that anyone did? It is awfully easy to misunderstand what someone says or writes, especially when you each think very differently.
That is why I propose to refrain from judging. You write that we are judging every moment of the day. I do not quite agree, or at least, we interpret the verb judging in different ways. When you say that we are judging all the time I would call that discerning. Determining for ourselves how we think or feel about things. Judging is more condemning in my view. That sort of judging has a negative side and is what I want to prevent myself from doing. And then of course I do not mean things like murder etc. but things that you (the proverbial one) do not agree with or maybe even misunderstand. It is my experience that that happens an awful lot, also on the blog. Then things are taken out of context, as Joshua called it once, and it is almost unavoidable given that people think in different ways and therefore misinterpret what someone actually says or writes.
Do you really think that what you think or feel or have learned from a teacher is the absolute yardstick for everything? It is your truth but does not necessarily have to be everyone else’s truth as well.
You have every right to disagree with anything whatever that Joshua or anyone else writes but I would prefer it if you call that your view on things. This applies of course to everyone else as well, myself included. And with this I would like to conclude this discussion and just to agree to disagree on this subject.
I am not in for a play of ping pong.
I state that this site is very informative, eyeopening. So I ask to keep high standards, that is all.
Conjecture is not always a good thing.
Words are easily misunderstood, so this was my last entry on this blog
Leo, when you put it in these words I largely agree with you.
I do hope that your statement that this was your last entry on this blog means that this was your last entry on this post.
I would very much appreciate your continuing contribution to Joshua’s blog as you have your own very interesting take on things.
Thank you for your comment, David, and for reminding me of the ourobouros. That symbol had slipped my mind. Sorry for responding to your comment this late but I have been ill for a couple of weeks.
When you write that this world is a world of death, not of life, I do not quite agree with you. Even though what you write is undoubtedly true it is a matter of perspective how you interpret it. You show how all life leads to death, I view it from the perspective of all death leading to a new and higher form of life. Probably in a cycle of descending first, struggling deep in the world of matter for a while and in the end rising up out of the ashes like a phoenix, to use other symbols for a change.
I do not know if I interpret what you write correctly. To me it feels like you are saying that everything in this world is bad and that we need salvation by the Father in order to enter the realm of Life.
Of course I agree with you that this world is not the real world and that our goal is ascending to the realm of Life as you call it. But I see this world we live in right now as a playing ground where we can gain conscious awareness by being exposed to all sorts of opposites. This life is not real but a game or a school. Everything depends on the perspective one chooses to take: positive or negative, love or hatred, good or bad. Every choice has consequences, good ones or bad ones, but whatever they are we can always turn in the right direction by choosing a positive response to everything that happens. And in the end it then becomes clear that the most difficult circumstances may have led to the most growth of our conscious awareness. Which leads to the conclusion that the seemingly bad may In fact be the best that could have happened to us. But only when we have learned to see everything from the perspective of love. That is why I come to the conclusion that in the end the total of all our experiences has been Good, no matter how difficult some of those experiences were at the time we were experiencing them. This whole process needs our active participation but of course we could never do all this on our own. Which I also wrote in the article.
good stuff Anny,
what i feel missing is a personal account. how people feel becoming prodigal. aren’t we all the one that stayed home at one time or the other ? did we come home and how did that feel ?
and after coming home from the seemingly involuntary journey, do we venture out again in the deep and unknown willingly ?
kind regards,
leo.
Hello Leo,
Thanks for your comment. Those are interesting questions you ask. I am afraid though that I cannot answer them.
What I have written is a sort of pattern that we all follow in one way or another. Everyone follows the path in his own way, and no way is the same as another. And even if they were, everyone experiences things differently. All depends on the perspectives we choose. Actually I have not finished this cycle myself so how would I know what it all will feel like? I can only imagine that it must be wonderful.
Will we venture out again after coming home? A good question. I wondered about that myself. Possibly but then that would probably a journey of a different kind. And I could not possibly say anything about that.
‘leaven of the . . .’ I read David’s comment and yesterday it struck a cord within me.
In modern speak I would call it ‘spinning’. Assuming things to be true and using it to prove a case. Elsewhere on the net I just found ‘Mark 7:8: “For laying aside the commandments of God, you hold the tradition of men …”
I can from my own experiences say that some of the story telling goes into that direction.
My biggest concern being the oversimplifications about the Ascension process and the assumed role of kundalini (lower case). I come across many articles with similar content.
I fear this website has overleavened itself. The only way is one’s own way. Fantasy stories without actually doing things lead to excess, real content, intent is lost.
So yes, I agree, beware of leavening.
A slip in wordpres made previous post, please deleted that.
Reply Anny :
I have been in my Father’s Place. It all happened unplanned, unforeseen, unintentionally. It happened some 30 years ago in the middle of a crowd of people. It was a life changing experience, it set me on a path of discovery. I searched for a teacher, used all my resources, found many lacking. Until 3 years after the event I met a real master. He became my Friend. No theories, no stories, only doing. He passed over some years ago, but the seeds of his actions are with me and are sprouting. My experience can best be described as in the story of the Prodigal Son, the Feast was within me, standing in a crowd and nobody noticed. I forced myself back because intuitive I felt I would burn upMark 7:8: “For laying aside the commandments of God, you hold the tradition of men …” if I stayed in that Grace. So, yes, I came down, but now with determined mind to make the most out of this Life.
Hi Leo,
That is interesting what you write here. I understand that this has been a life changing experience for you because I too have been there, but in a totally different way, now almost 60 years ago already. That was during an NDE after a traffic accident. I was only a child then but it made an impression on me that I could never forget. And it certainly influenced my life although that not became apparent immediately. I did not lose my fear of death because I had never been afraid of death. It did show me the unconditonal love of God but I had always been aware of that already also, even if not consciously maybe. It certainly led me to Israel many years later where I learned a lot. I could never do what I am doing now if it had not been for the experiences I had there.
It shows that our lifepaths have been comparable and yet so different. However, there is nothing wrong about that as we each have to lead our own life and find our own path. It is a fascinating process, though not always easy.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is GNOSIS ( knowledge of the Truth ). When Adam and Eve ate of it, “their eyes were opened”. They could then discern that the “god” who created them was not the True God ( the Father ). And that this physical creation is NOT the true realm of existence. Christ, in the person of Jesus came into this hell hole to tell us this…..or at least those who can “hear” Him. “My kingdom is not of this world”. This world is “DEATH”. You think you are alive, but you are not. ” Let the dead bury their own dead”. If you want to know what TRUE LIFE is then you need to be resurrected from death. “I have come that you might have life, and have it more abundantly”. You can slice and dice scripture any way you want to. But you will never get anywhere until you receive Gnosis (knowledge). Then you will KNOW who you really are, where you really came from, and how to get back there. Until then you will simply keep coming back to this nut house until you do. But I can assure you that everyone will “know” eventually. Do you want to “believe” and hope for the best, or world you rather KNOW, and go home . ” Seek, and you will find. Knock, and it will be opened to you.”
This “world” ( cosmos – physical realm of matter and energy ), is an ILLUSION. What is the purpose and intent of an illusion ? TO DECEIVE, to mislead, to fool you. Everything here is a cheap imitation, a copy, a counterfeit of the TRUE REALM, (the kingdom of God the Father ), the eternal realm that the Father emanates. The Father does not “create”, He emanates, He extends the essence of Himself, His Being. That realm of existence is perfect and in every way. Here, in this world of shadows, everything is only a cheap copy of the true reality. It was “created” by the “creator”. ( god of the OT ). He is only a tool of the Father, being used by your Mother ( Holy Spirit ). But the Father was and is the cause of this , as He is sovereign over ALL. Children need to grow and mature. We even have a Big Brother to help us. So, just remember something……In the Light, there is no need to have compassion because there is no hurt there. In the Light there is no need to show forgiveness or mercy because there is no wrong there. Some things are so important and of such great value that they can only be learned ” outside the box”.
David, thank you for your comments. I cannot quite follow your reasoning but I definitely do not resonate with it, at least not with the part you write about this physical realm of matter.
I do agree with you that this world is an illusion, which should be nothing new as I write about it in many of my articles and comments. But I do not agree that the purpose of this illusion is to deceive. There is always the possibility to look at things in a positive way and in a negative way. And if there is a possibility to interpret something in a positive way then I will definitely choose that option. My experience has been that a positive, loving interpretation has always been possible in the subjects I have written about.
Therefore I see this world as a school where you can learn by experiencing opposites and as such to become Self-Aware. In the world of Light, of Oneness, there is no opportunity to do so as all is one and there is nothing to compare anything to. The purpose of the stay in this world of illusion is to ultimately return to this world of oneness, while retaining this self-awareness that we gained through our journey and as such each phase of that journey has its function, even the deepest, darkest parts.
I do not see this world as a world of deception but as a world of imagination, where we can try out everything in a safe way because nothing is real. And because there is always help when we get stuck. For instance that Big Brother you mentioned but also others.
I believe that Jesus came into this world in order to remind us of Who we really are, divine sparks of God, and to show us the way how to regain (knowledge of) this divine state. And how to start living it in this world of illusion. You are right that in the Light there is no need for forgiveness, mercy or compassion but in the state we are living in now, still in the world of illusion, there most definitely is. They are part of our learning tools, which help us to rise above this illusion and to return to the Father, as I also wrote in this article.
This is a very short version of how I see things at this stage of my journey and I do not claim to bring the Truth with a capital T. I just share my views. People who read my articles are free to take what I write, and use it in a way that fits them, or leave it if does not appeal to them. You are of course free to have and express your views on all this but I would appreciate it if you would do that in a less absolute sense. None of us is even capable of grasping the Absolute Truth just yet, neither you nor I nor anyone else. And we should all respect each other’s views for what they are, our respective views.
As I was reading your post, Josh, i kept getting kinda what you already expounded on…….that the good son is the one who chose on his own to go out and by experience, take on the physical realm of duality to grow up spiritually and find his true identity. The other son sounds like he will never leave, never be tested, and never will increse in consciousness of his inner true self. The wilderness journey that the prodigal took, we all must take. Also, the angels that were kinda looking down at adam and mocking his creation , and not understanding why god had created such a being reminds me of the son that never would leave home. maybe i read that from the book of enoch or maybe david said, What is man that thou ae mindful of him? We must all have our battle scars given to us by the way we perceive reality. Do we perceive ourselves to be perfect, lacking nothing, and I and the father are ONE?>>>>>> or, do we see ourselves as “fallen” from the love of god/separated and in need of a savior? The correct knowledge(gnosis) of your situation would be the, perfect lacking nothing scenario, and the other would be an illusion. It’s high time we break through the illusion and know our true self.
Hi Larry,
Thanks for your comment to my article, which gives a different way of looking at the subject again. It is always good to see a slightly different approach which shows new aspects.
It is indeed time to recognize that the world we live in is an illusion and to get to know our true self.
I hope you will continue to follow the blog and give your valuable approach to the subjects under discussion.
This article was not written by Joshua though but by me, one of the guest writers of the blog.
Anny